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Normando
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 Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:59 pm Post subject: iLO DVDRHD04 Removable Hard Drive Modification Guide |
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Modify your iLO HD04 so that you can remove the hard drive and attach it to your computer for lightning fast video edits..
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redwudz
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting guide. I was wondering if you could just extend the IDE and Molex power cables to an external box to house the removable hard drive? I like the idea of having a removable drive, I use them on a couple of my computers.
BTW, nice site. I'll spend some time looking around.  I like the format. It's close enough to the Videohelp site format that I don't have to relearn very much. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome to the forums & thanks for the compliments Red.
You are correct in your assumption. One of my friends over at the TechoLio forums named Old Goat hooked his drive cage up externally by extending the power and IDE cables outside the case.
This minor adjustment will save you many, many hours of transfering your recordings from your hard drive to +RW discs so that you can edit them on your computer.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:56 pm Post subject: Viewing files on HD |
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I extended the IDE and molex cables out teh back of my LVW 5045 and connected a mobile storage rack on the top. No cutting the case.
One question, though. When the drive is connected to the LVW 5045 I can view thumbnails or text of their contents. Is there an easy way to see what is in each file in Windows once the drive is connected to the PC? |
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Normando
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: Viewing files on HD |
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| raptorbird wrote: | | When the drive is connected to the LVW 5045 I can view thumbnails or text of their contents. Is there an easy way to see what is in each file in Windows once the drive is connected to the PC? |
Welcome to the forum!
Unfortunately, there is no way of viewing thumbnail images of the recordings on the PC... at least not that I am aware of.
I believe that the folders on the hard drive are named according to the name that is under the thumbnail image in the menu. Although I am not 100% sure of it and my iLO HD04 is at home, so I can't check.
At least dragging the Content01 file onto VideoReDo opens them up very quickly.
If you accumulate many recordings on your hard drive, things can become difficult to find. I delete the recordings from the thumbnail screen on the HD04 after I have extracted the files onto my computer for authoring into a polished, menu driven DVD. I also try to keep my hard drive recordings down around a dozen or so.
Don't delete the files from the hard drive from your computer. The reason is that the thumbnail will still appear and you will have to delete it from there as well. Might as well just delete it once and be done with it.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| What files am I looking for when I connect the hard drive to my pc? |
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Normando
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| ricmac25 wrote: | | What files am I looking for when I connect the hard drive to my pc? |
This is a screen grab that will help you understand where to find your recorded VOB files...
Good luck,
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lemmy999
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Viewing files on HD |
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| raptorbird wrote: | I extended the IDE and molex cables out teh back of my LVW 5045 and connected a mobile storage rack on the top. No cutting the case.
One question, though. When the drive is connected to the LVW 5045 I can view thumbnails or text of their contents. Is there an easy way to see what is in each file in Windows once the drive is connected to the PC? |
I am attempting to do this with the Ilo HD04. However I can't find any place to route the cables without cutting the case. Has anyone found a way to get the cables out without cutting the case or at least removing
the fan? |
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Normando
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: Re: Viewing files on HD |
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| lemmy999 wrote: |
I am attempting to do this with the Ilo HD04. However I can't find any place to route the cables without cutting the case. Has anyone found a way to get the cables out without cutting the case or at least removing
the fan? |
I can't say for sure, but I always figured that folks were connecting the long IDE flat ribbon cable and extended power cable, then gently placing the cover right over the top of them. They will bend to fit.
Harpmaker will probably take a picture for you when he finds the time.
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Harpmaker
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: Viewing files on HD |
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| Normando wrote: | | Harpmaker will probably take a picture for you when he finds the time. |
I would love to, but I haven't converted my 5045 yet and my 5001 doesn't have a top cover on it due to heat buildup so the new drive is simply sitting on top of the old one that is still in the case.
I think your comment is correct. I would simply leave the cover of the HD04 loose, or not screwed down tight, and just run the cables out the back. |
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks. That is what I ended up doing. The problem was the sharp edges along the back could easily have cut through the cable and shorted the +12V and +5V to ground. I ended up putting a piece of thick double sided tape on the top and bottom of where the cables exit the rear (which is the top middle). Then I left the two top/middle screws out of the back. I still used the side screws and the two on the back located on the far left and right sides. Then I placed the HDD removable tray on top of the HD04. Worked pretty well. |
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Hey Normando (or anyone else that knows ),
Now that I've finally hooked my 5045's HDD up to my PC I've noticed that some titles contain more than one file. I want to edit these files with MPG2VCR, but I have to rename them first of course since they have no file extension. My question is can I simply rename the files (after I've copied them to another HDD!) so they have a .VOB extension and then edit like normal, or should I use DVD Decrypter to "extract" those .VOB files into one large .VOB like I do with DVD's?
If I can scrounge up some IDE cables I'm going to convert my 5045 soon so both DVD and HDD drives are external. I'll try to take some pics for a guide. |
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I use VideoRedo and do not change the name of the files at all... I just drag the file with no extension onto VR's main window and they open up just fine.
I haven't tried this with Womble's Mpg2VCR. I cannot say for sure if the files are Mpeg2 or VOB. They will work fine in Mpg2VCR if you rename them to either mpg or vob.
I think that using DVDecrypter is an unnecessary step.
If Mpg2VCR requires renaming, I would temporarily rename them right on the external drive, drag the file into Mpg2VCR, edit out the commercials, and save the edited mpg file to your computer's hard drive. Then remove the file extensions on the external drive.
One tip... do not delete files from the external hard drive from the computer... always delete the files using your remote control on the 5045. If you delete from the computer, the thumbnail will still show up on the 5045's menus and when you try to play, it will fail and jump back to the menu.
Let me know if you need any further assistance.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Normando wrote: | | I use VideoRedo and do not change the name of the files at all... I just drag the file with no extension onto VR's main window and they open up just fine. |
As an example of the situation, I recorded two 1hr shows back-to-back in EP so in reality it is a single 2hr program. This creates a file that is just over the 2GB limit of the FAT32 format the recorder uses so it breaks the file into 2 pieces; the first file (CONTEN01) contains all but the last few minutes of the programs which are put in a file called CONTEN02. I want those last few minutes.
Are you saying that VR will automatically load CONTEN02 when it is needed, or do you drag BOTH files in at the same time?
I just found out that VR has a COMBINE command, and also that you can open a DOS command window and use the COPY command with the /b switch to concatenate .VOB files as well. I just downloaded a program that will add commands to Windows Explorer, among them is a CAT command. I'll let you know how it works.
| Quote: | | I haven't tried this with Womble's Mpg2VCR. I cannot say for sure if the files are Mpeg2 or VOB. They will work fine in Mpg2VCR if you rename them to either mpg or vob. |
I just tried it and Drag&Drop works with the CONTEN01 file without an extension. Trying to open the same file with the FILE/OPEN command fails since it can't see a file without an extension. MPG2VCR doesn't load the CONTEN02 file automatically. If it has any way to easily combine files, i haven't found it yet.
Okay, I just found out that MPG2VCR will combine after a fashion, but it doesn't work as well as I need it to. You load both of the files via D&D then copy CONTEN02 to the "clipboard". You can then use the INSERT button to insert CONTEN02 to the end of CONTEN01. Problem is there is audio missing at the join! Bummer. Looks like I might be switching to VR soon.
| Quote: | | I think that using DVDecrypter is an unnecessary step. |
It also won't work! Decrypter only sees DVD drives.
| Quote: | | If Mpg2VCR requires renaming, I would temporarily rename them right on the external drive, drag the file into Mpg2VCR, edit out the commercials, and save the edited mpg file to your computer's hard drive. Then remove the file extensions on the external drive. |
This makes the most sense, but it goes against my "Don't Mess With The Original" philosophy; I guess I'm paranoid. With any luck the explorer extensions will let me concat when I copy from the external drive to the PC drive. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, I tried VR and it does about the same thing MPG2VCR does when loading two files at the same time. I also must be missing something since I can't seem to find the COMBINE function in VR.
The good news is that the concatenation function in the Funduc software Windows Explorer Extensions works well. I had my doubts since it seems to be geared toward zip files, but it worked like a charm on the CONTEN01 and CONTEN02 files.
I have an older version installed that has nag screens (it's shareware), but here is a link to the current version:
http://www.funduc.com/explorer_extensions.htm
My 5045 now has an external drive cage and a BenQ 1620 DVD drive setting side-by-side on top of the recorder. Both seem to be working like they should. It's nice to press the OPEN/CLOSE button and actually have the tray open or close!
Something I noticed when I hooked up the Seagate HDD from the 5045 to my PC is that it is a fairly noisy drive - it whines more than my IBM or Maxtor drives, and even more than another Seagate 160GB drive I'm using externally. In a quite room, the drive is much louder after I made it external (duh! ), but it's a small price to pay for the convenience of not having to burn everything to a DVD to transfer it to my PC!
I've been thinking about the situation (sorry, I can't help it) and I think one could make an exterior cover for the external drives that could be insulated to deaden sound AND cooled with a standard 80mm PC fan powered by the power connector for the old DVD drive.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Harp... using VideoRedo will be the easiest and best option.
In VR, you make a selection, then from the Joiner Menu, select "Add current project to joiner list"
Then you can open up the other video clip, make your selection and add it to the joiner list.
Once you are finished, you can select "Create video from the joiner list" to export a single Mpeg-2 file from your multiple file clips. It is very easy.
Oh yeah... if you have a newer version of VideoRedo, you can click the Options button when saving out your Mpeg-2 file and have it re-encode your AC3 audio to Mpeg Audio to make it friendlier with the plethora of video and DVD authoring tools available.
Let us know how it works out for you.
Norm
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Harpmaker wrote: | | Something I noticed when I hooked up the Seagate HDD from the 5045 to my PC is that it is a fairly noisy drive - it whines more than my IBM or Maxtor drives, and even more than another Seagate 160GB drive I'm using externally. In a quite room, the drive is much louder after I made it external (duh! ). |
I forgot that the drive cage has it's own exhaust fan! After I disconnected that it runs A LOT quieter. 
I have the cover off the cage so active cooling isn't needed. I'll document this as soon as the weather cooperates, not enough sunlight to take decent pics with the last few days... |
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| Harpmaker wrote: | | After I disconnected that it runs A LOT quieter. |
I disconnected my cage fan, but hooked it back up because I forgot to turn off my HD04 one day and the next day the drive cage & hard drive was like a hot potatoe. It was actually too hot to hold.
We need to find some quieter replacement fans for our removable cages. Do you know what size fans they are Harp?
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Normando wrote: | | I disconnected my cage fan, but hooked it back up because I forgot to turn off my HD04 one day and the next day the drive cage & hard drive was like a hot potatoe. It was actually too hot to hold. |
For most folks that means it was over 110 degrees F! Whoa...
Assuming you haven't changed your setup, most of your cage is inside the recorder where heat accumulates if not actively removed. My cage is totally external and open to the air (the reason I took the cage cover off). I will run a few tests to find the temperature difference between cover-on and cover-off.
| Quote: | | We need to find some quieter replacement fans for our removable cages. Do you know what size fans they are Harp? |
My cages use a 40mm fan that is 10mm thick and has a 2-pin connector. I did a bit of searching and found the fan below that sounds VERY promising, only problem is that it has a 3-pin connector and comes with a 4-pin converter cable. From looking at the specs and the fan itself, I think all I would need to do is clip off their connector and solder on the one from my current fan, The third pin is for sensing fan RPM. At $15 it is a bit pricey, but it has almost twice the airflow as regular 40mm fans and way less then half the noise.
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Thanks for the info. I will have to search around myself.
I doubt you will need to get a new fan since you have the cage mounted externally. My situation warrants a fan replacement, as the drive cage has the top on it and it is inside my case.
I'll let you know what I find once I get some free time to search.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Normando wrote: | I doubt you will need to get a new fan since you have the cage mounted externally. My situation warrants a fan replacement, as the drive cage has the top on it and it is inside my case.
I'll let you know what I find once I get some free time to search. |
You definitely need a hi-performance fan in your cage since you are cooling the drive AND helping cool the recorder mainboard. That LSI chip runs HOT!
You are also correct in that I don't need my cage fan. After an hour, the temp of the surface of the HDD was 104 degrees F without a cover on the drive cage. After another hour with the cover on the temp was 114 F.
Here are 3 sample images of my drive upgrade.
The first is the machine seen from the front after it was finished. The hard disk drive cage is the beige one on the far right. The black-faced box is the external BenQ DVD drive.
The next one is a view from the rear of the recorder after I notched the recorder cover, providing a pinch more than 1/2 inch of clearance, and brought both IDE cables and the power cable out then plugged a power-splitter cable into the 5045 power connector so I could power both drives. If I need more power for anything else I have another power connector inside the recorder that used to go to the built-in DVD drive (which is now just taking up space inside the 5045; R.I.P.).
The last photo is of the tools needed to do the upgrade.
1. A nibbler (this one was on sale at Radio Shack).
2. A file (for smoothing the edges after they have been nibbled).
3. A #2 Phillips head screwdriver to get the case apart.
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Harp... I believe I recall that you mentioned using velcro to hold the external drives in place, correct?
You have a nice, neat solution here. Great photos.
It is hard to believe that nobody is offering a DVD recorder with removable hard drive yet. They would corner the video geek market.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Normando wrote: | | Harp... I believe I recall that you mentioned using Velcro to hold the external drives in place, correct? |
Yes, that is what I intend on doing, but at the moment I don't have the Velcro so the units are just setting on top of the 5045. From all indications the Velcro should work just fine with nothing more permanent being needed.
| Quote: | | You have a nice, neat solution here. Great photos. |
Thanks. I've been thinking about it, and due to the fact that the HD04 and 5045 are "dead" models I'm wondering if it would really be worth it to make an upgrade guide. What's your opinion?
| Quote: | | It is hard to believe that nobody is offering a DVD recorder with removable hard drive yet. They would corner the video geek market. |
I agree with you; however, I kind of wonder if the "geek" market is as big as we think it is. After all, most regular folk didn't even bother to set the clock on their VCRs.
As to why a removable HDD DVD recorder hasn't been marketed, I truly think it has to do with pandering to Hollywood (the same reason recorders are full of copy-protection). The Powers-That-Be don't want us to even record "their" programming, let alone easily take that material to our PC so we can do what we want with it.
I would love to see a network that used "embedded commercials" in their programming (the commercial item is actually used/shown/talked about in the show itself) and had no separate commercials as we know them. Such programming would cause the network to promote, rather than hinder, P2P distribution of their material. Heck, it might be the ONLY way they distribute it.
I can imagine a scene from Supernatural using this technique:
The GTO comes to a stop outside a remote spooky-looking house, the brothers get out of the car and Dean opens the trunk.
DEAN: (searching for something in the truck) "Hey Sam, where did you put the Mossburg 500 12 gauge?"
SAM: "It's in the blue bag."
DEAN: "No it's not, that's the Winchester Model 70 .30-06. We don't need a rifle right now Sam; even if it is a Winchester."
SAM: "Well, it's gotta be in there somewhere; and don't forget to use the Remington Tac 8 Buckshot, it produces 25 percent smaller patterns than regular loads."
And then, or course, there could be the scenes where they are seen drinking Starbucks coffee, or pouring a bowl of Kellogg's Cornflakes. You get the idea. |
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| Harpmaker wrote: | | I've been thinking about it, and due to the fact that the HD04 and 5045 are "dead" models I'm wondering if it would really be worth it to make an upgrade guide. What's your opinion? |
I don't think you need to bother. I think if you could take a few more internal photos and perhaps some closeups of anything you find that needs one... you should be fine. You could add them and the photos you've got here to a new post and I will make 'er sticky.
I really think we are the fortunate ones... having our modded HD04s and 5045s. We can record anything and tote it directly to the computer. It doesn't get any better than that. As you mentioned... all the new recorders are hindered with all kinds of copyright protection schemes. I am pretty certain that cable and Satellite TV providers are going to make it really tough to record their shows in the near future. They will try to force everyone to buy one of their DVR units and pay the additional monthy fees associated with them.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:55 am Post subject: |
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Hello LiteOn modifiers
I'm in the UK and looking at a LiteOn HDD recorder - mainly because of the potential for disk swap.
Are we saying that 'most' LiteOn HDD boxes can have removal HDD's which will read when plugged into a PC?
Are the files in normal MPEG2 which will immediately work on say, Windows Media Player - or GOM in my case? Or do I need something like HDTVtoMPEG2 to make them play?
On another LiteOn subject - does Pin 8 work (or 'video present') on any LiteOn HDD box - to react to 'record start' from a Sky box or a DVB-T box? I've got a Pana 60 with 'Ext Link' which does it.
LiteOn boxes I'm looking at include - 5025GHC+ or HD-A760GX.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| doobie wrote: | | Hello LiteOn modifiers |
Hi Doobie,
Welcome to the forum!
| Quote: | | Are we saying that 'most' LiteOn HDD boxes can have removal HDD's which will read when plugged into a PC? |
I only have experience with the iLO HD04 (which was made by LiteOn) and the LiteOn 5045 recorders. While I don't know for sure, I would expect that 'most' LiteOn DVD recorder hard drives could be read by a PC.
| Quote: | | Are the files in normal MPEG2 which will immediately work on say, Windows Media Player - or GOM in my case? Or do I need something like HDTVtoMPEG2 to make them play? |
Note Normando's screen capture earlier in the thread which shows the file structure of his HD04. My 5045 is the same. These machines use FAT32 formatted hard drives so there is a file-break at the 2GB boundary when recording. The recorded files are in MPEG2 format, but have no file extension as created by the recorder. The first file is called Content01, the next Content02 and so on. When I copy these files to my PC hard drive for editing I concatenate them into one big file and add a .VOB file extension; this file will also play in PowerDVD. It is my understanding that simply adding a .MPG extension will let programs like Media Player play the Contentx files as well.
| Quote: | | On another LiteOn subject - does Pin 8 work (or 'video present') on any LiteOn HDD box - to react to 'record start' from a Sky box or a DVB-T box? I've got a Pana 60 with 'Ext Link' which does it. |
Sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about here. |
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Hey Doobie... welcome.
Most of us here are using LiteOn equipment that is a generation or two old now. Fortunately, they neglected to add many of the security measures that are being implemented in newer units.
Your best bet is to purchase a unit from a major retail store that has a descent return policy.
Everything Harp mentioned above is correct.
I also am unfamiliar with the pin-8 topic you mentioned.
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doobie
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:38 am Post subject: |
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Hello Harp and Norm
Thanks for your Liteon suggestions.
In the 'old' country most machines come with a SCART and Phono (RCA)connections.
Liteon only has an analogue tuner - as do many other HDD/DVD boxes.
In order not to have to set 2 timers when using an external tuner STB like Sat or terrs digital - some set top boxes can send a signal to start to HDD.
In UK Pana boxes you can set them to detect a signal on Pin 8 of the Scart as the STB comes out of standby at timer time.
There is also the option to use 'video present' on the V/Comp - again as the STB comes out of standby.
Using the EPG on the STB you can control the HDD box without timer settings.
After all that - I assume that the LiteOn has no similar facility!!
Thanks for the great AV guides Norm.
Thanks
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Harpmaker
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Location: Pennsylvania
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Hey Doobie,
Thanks for the "pin 8/video present" explanation. Once again you folks across the pond seem to have more advanced tech than what is available here. On our side of the puddle The Powers That Be are so afraid we are going to steal their signal they hamper the abilities of such things as digital recorders.
I'm not trying to chase you away, but to learn about LiteOn SCART stuff I would suggest trying a LiteOn forum that is in your own backyard at the link below.
http://ccgi.mgillespie.plus.com/liteon/smf/index.php |
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